Saturday, November 26, 2011

Even though we lost... You actually lost

I see a bit of angst on the left wing blogs today and more than a little smugness on some of the right wing blogs but JFK might have some words for them to consider.

" even the fruits of victory would be ashes in our mouth "

We actually won last night. I had a chat to a senior National Party official person on Friday and he said to me that the referendum was seen as a distraction, something he clearly didn't agree with. I have no idea why National views it as a distraction, a distraction to getting an absolute power for one more term ? A distraction to the really important job of selling of state assets ?

Labour, Greens, Unions  and the left in general didn't see it as a distraction rather we saw it for exactly what it was vital to our electoral future the results so far that I have seen effectively have confirmed MMP and that left wing voters voted strategically to put the hated FPP into second place and ensuring that if a run off  came to pass MMP would win. Cameron Slater clearly understands this.

"The Biggest Loser: Steven Joyce & National
So focused on protecting his own power Joyce refused to let John Key give the David Cameron speech to get rid of MMP.
As I have been predicting for a long time, National will not have viable coalition partners in 2014. Joyce’s short term focus on protecting his own power means the political environment became much, much tougher for National long term. You can see the proof of this in the gloating posts from left wing sites who know that the real battle was won in the referendum"

I am not sure I would describe the left wing blogs I read as gloating but I assume he is talking about the Standard and I don't read those idiots, in fact there is a unhealthy parlour of gloom on some of the blogs I read. Some of the comments on right wing blogs have been hilarious from Dexter on kiwiblog

Dexter (110) Says:

The real losers are the left voters who tactically voted NZF…
They were the difference this time round between NZF sinking into oblivion where it belongs and being resurrected.
Now they have elected people like Richard Prosser, who wants a a separate South Island parliament and to abolish clean air laws and kyoto, and Andrew Williams who amongst other things wants to repeal the anti smacking law.

This guy hasn't thought things through I am a tactical voter who voted for Peters and it damn near worked but we haven't lost a thing through Peters being in parliament. Peters is a John Key self inflicted wound I commented at Kiwipolitico on the 16/11/11

"Labour have pissed me off to the point they will not get my vote, Mana isn’t an option so do I destroy my ballot in a plague on all your houses option or vote for NZ First as an even greater plague on all your houses option in the hope he can reach the 5%. Looking to Winston to stop asset sales I admit is desperation stuff."

I made the correct call  gamble it nearly came off . Winston is back with his circus and it isn't the left he will focus on, it is National.  I note the insane Redbaiter at the same post on Kiwiblog has this to say

Redbaiter (5) Says:

ACT got 22,000 votes. The Maori Party got 27,000.
Colin Craig got over 50,000 votes, making the Conservatives NZ’s fifth largest party.
This is after being ignored by the Progressive mainstream media and if mentioned at all, only in a dismissive or derogatory way.
The Conservative Party is coming after the treacherous left wing Nats, and will (one day) replace them as NZ’s main right of center party.
The fad of progressive politics (that Farrar, Key etc subscribe to) will soon have run its course.

It is comedy gold on one hand and yet if he is talking about party votes he might have a valid point but I can't be bothered checking. Dump the electorate seat  bullshit and the 5%  minimum rort and he might well be right. The Muldoonists might be entitled to a seat.

Like the Whale I am not afraid of giving the left  ( my side ) shit as well as the right and the very sane sensible Chris Trotter at the Bowalley Road blog deserves a wake up call.

"LAST NIGHT I dreamed of Oamaru. I was born there 55 years ago in the big public hospital which overlooked the little seaside town. In those days, public hospitals were almost always built on hilltops. Set there by the State, they quite literally “watched over” the citizenry they were erected to serve. It was reassuring."

The world changes Chris and you far more than me change the world, if you were 75 I would forgive you that blog at 55 you can get stuffed. We can build the new New Zealand Chris, hell we tried it once before and I walked away remember the Alliance,  remember  the TINA theory, from memory in a Moray Place political meeting and some earnest bearded  advocate being laughed down as he tried to justify asset sales.

You are a baby boomer generation but you think generation X for the most part. Get that Gen X brain working and let's get Grant Robertson  to be our next PM.


  1. Haha, poor old leftie trying to paint a shellacking as positive.

    The thing is old chap, you can't extrapolate anything in 2014 from last nights results. 35% of the country didn't even bother voting - which is more likely to be due to the expected landslide that the media and polls had been predicting.

    Labour have lost their next round of stars and the Green votes are going to be far harder to achieve next time around once.

    National managed 48% of the vote during the worst conditions any government has had to endure in 30+ years. If they have a successful term, and our economy keeps growing (as it has done 8 out of the last 9 quarters), then it is likely they will get over the 50% barrier next time.

  2. Old ? Well at 44 maybe. I suspect I was the first person in NZ to point out that it was likely to be a low turn out as I pointed out Keeping Stock's Just Vote post

    " Post a Comment On: Keeping Stock
    "Just vote"

    1 Comment - Show Original Post
    H Stewart said...
    I did at 9.30 and on a non political front noticed that I was the only European casting my ballot Polynesian and Asian voters of both sex's were present, far less people than at the last two elections and on a political front well more later.
    November 26, 2011 11:35 AM

    Well why can't I extrapolate Farrar it would appear agrees with me I quote his blog

    " NZ First. Key rightfully ruled out a coalition or confidence and supply deal with Peters on the grounds of an inability to trust him as stable. However now he is back in Parliament, there is a need to have a working relationship with NZ First. Not an agreement, but they will be lobbied on bills they might support, will sit on the business committee etc. If Winston manages to avoid getting caught up in scandals, then the position on ruling him out may be different come 2014. Too early to speculate, but it will be interesting to observe.

    2014: How the hell do you win in 2014? At this stage, I’d have to say the odds are not great for National, but there are three years to go. Labour also in a weak position. the reality is at this stage most likely 2014 outcome is Winston holds balance of power. But again if a week is a long time in politics, three years is an eternity."

    We have lost our stars?

    You have that right and we should be encouraging sorry demanding at least 3 MP's on the list to discover fantastic opportunities outside of Parliament. Labour usually gets my party vote but I ruled them out a long time ago because they protect unelectable MP's on the list look at the Tizard fiasco and you will get my point.

    I think you missed the essential point of the blog though, National are running out of support parties.

    ACT was offered a lifeline by Cactus Kate and told her no if she wasn't prepared to campaign on the ground. Cactus could have campaigned on line and she has told me that I should be an ACT voter and I couldn't fault her logic. ( I have never met her just made comment on her blog )

    National needed to take a position on the referendum, they didn't and as for your last paragraph I doubt it, their vote will drop and the left / centre left vote will rise.